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The Church had the full benefit of its sacred texts in the first century
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| A complete Isaiah, c. 100 B.C. - 50 A.D. |
From
here:
Hello, Ard,
You claimed that Christianity lived on "oral cultures
for the better part of a century without the full benefit 'of its
sacred texts' and for centuries without either an Old Testament or New
Testament canon."
That's simply not true.
You admit that
the early Church had the Septuagint and the writings of the Apostles,
the documents that form Christendom's canons (plural, which I'll discuss
later). That was during the lifetime of the Apostles. Unless they lived
for "centuries" and didn't compose their Gospels and Epistles until the
ends of their lives, the Church had the "full benefit" of its sacred
texts in the first century.
A few examples:
-Galatians
was authored c. 51-53 a.D. That's less than two decades after Christ's
ascension, not "the better part of a century."
-Papias referred
c. 125 to the Gospel of John (c. 90). That's less than one century
after Christ's earthly ministry, not "centuries."
-The last
document to be received by the Church was John's Revelation, c. a.D. 95.
That's less than six decades after Christ's death and resurrection.
(And the reason that it came so late is because John did not receive it
until then).
Since you're focusing on "canon" as in some grand
poobah/council declaring something official (are you repeating the
Muslim lie regarding Nicaea?), then it's clear that you misunderstand
the term. "Canon" simply means "measure" or "rule." If it's something
official you want, then the Church had -- and has -- no "canon." Luther
struggled with James (and a few other books). In reaction to Luther's
rearranging of the apocryphal books as an appendix in his translation,
the Church of Rome declared certain texts "canonical" which even Jerome,
the translator of its official Bible, considered less-than-inspired. And what of the rest of Christendom?
There is no one, official "Canon" (though there's a lot of overlap). Depending on whom you ask
(Roman Catholics, Protestants, Greek Orthodox, Slavic Orthodox, Armenian
Orthodox, or Ethiopian Orthodox?), you'll get varying canons. Does
that mean that the Church has gone two thousand years "without the full
benefit 'of its sacred texts' and [. . .] without either an Old
Testament or New Testament canon"?
One last point: Considering
that the Apostles used the Septuagint and many of the "reformers" were
actually "deformers" [heretics], it seems to me that Reformation-era opinion is,
for the most part, irrelevant.
ANNO DOMINI 2003-2026
the Amillennialist Contra Mundum